By John L. Stein / Originally Published December 20, 2016 / Hagerty / They say The Rolling Stones never retired. From 1963's “Come On” to this&hellip;{"id":9611,"date":"2017-03-07T13:54:32","date_gmt":"2017-03-07T21:54:32","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.pomonaswapmeet.com\/blog\/?p=9611"},"modified":"2017-02-23T13:56:00","modified_gmt":"2017-02-23T21:56:00","slug":"how-do-you-define-modern-classic","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.pomonaswapmeet.com\/blog\/2017\/03\/07\/how-do-you-define-modern-classic\/","title":{"rendered":"How do you define \u201cModern Classic?\u201d"},"content":{"rendered":"<h5>By John L. Stein\u00a0\/ Originally Published December 20, 2016 \/ Hagerty \/<\/h5>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">They say The Rolling Stones never retired. From 1963&#8217;s \u201cCome On\u201d to this year\u2019s \u201cHate to See You Go,\u201d the band\u2019s artistry evolved in one long, winding progression \u2013 kind of like the Mother Road, only with staff lines instead of lane lines. But at this point, a half century removed from The Stones\u2019 first recording, which songs are now best defined as classic rock and which are contemporary? Which are destined to become modern classics? The same might be asked of collectible cars and motorcycles.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">To get a feel for what defines a \u201cmodern classic,\u201d I recently polled 10 car and motorcycle collectors, asking each of them five questions about the topic.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\"><strong>What year marks the beginning for modern classics?<\/strong><\/span><br \/>\n<span style=\"color: #000000;\"> For this essential question, the 10 respondents\u2019 answers ranged widely, from postwar all the way to the post-2000 era. This alone shows a huge variance in interpretation about what makes a modern classic. \u201cPostwar demarks the beginning of the modern classic period for me,\u201d remarked Phil Scheinberg, a physician who owns five collector cars between 1963 and 1966. Jeffrey Barteet, an internet engineer and owner of a 1964 Chevrolet Corvette coupe, noted, \u201cI&#8217;ve always felt some line of demarcation at California\u2019s &#8216;pre-smog&#8217; date of 1974.\u201d But retired aerospace contracts manager Dave Dunlap sees modern classics beginning around the late \u201890s to early 2000s, in particular retro-themed modern vehicles.<\/span><br \/>\n<span style=\"color: #000000;\"> <strong>Bottom line<\/strong>: Depends on your interpretation\u2014a modern classic can range from postwar to current.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\"><strong>What features typify a \u201cmodern classic\u201d but not a traditional \u201cclassic?\u201d<\/strong><\/span><br \/>\n<span style=\"color: #000000;\"> Not surprisingly, with such varied opinions of what constitutes a \u201cmodern classic\u201d \u2013 a range of nearly 70 years for the 10 respondents here \u2013 the features people feel define these cars also vary. \u201cPlastic bits would be an excellent guideline,\u201d said retired commercial pilot Paul Adams, who owns 30 classic cars and bikes from 1923 to 1973. \u201cElectric start, fuel injection, disc brakes, traction control and lots of plastics,\u201d agreed Roland Ortiz, a real estate investor who owns 14 motorcycles from 1957 to 1974. But leave it to a software developer to see through the clutter. \u201cComputers,\u201d said Fred Yeakel, the owner of three 1964 cars, including a rare racing Cheetah.<\/span><br \/>\n<span style=\"color: #000000;\"> <strong>Bottom line<\/strong>: Modern features define modern classics.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\"><strong>What is an example of a great \u201cmodern classic\u201d car?<\/strong><\/span><br \/>\n<span style=\"color: #000000;\"> \u201cIt\u2019s gotta be exotic in some way \u2013 a masterful, up-to-date rendition of a recognized icon,\u201d says mechanic Kirk Sloan, the owner of eight pre-1972 motorcycles and a 1940 Lincoln. Sloan singles out the 2005-2006 Ford GT and 1999-2003 BMW Z8 as examples. Ralph Hudson is a specialty constructor for theme parks and museums (and new 266.399 mph motorcycle record holder at El Mirage (Calif.) Lake!). He agrees with Sloan\u2019s choice of Ford\u2019s GT and adds the Bugatti Veyron, and even modern interpretations of the Shelby Cobra. \u201cIt needs to be groundbreaking either in performance or style,\u201d he says. Meanwhile retired realtor Bob Bryson leans to the early Sixties for his \u201cmodern classic\u201d fix. \u201cMy pick is a \u201861 Chevy bubble-top 409,\u201d he admits. \u201cI had one and would give anything to have her back!\u201d<\/span><br \/>\n<span style=\"color: #000000;\"> <strong>Bottom line<\/strong>: Being exclusive when new improves status down the road.<\/span><\/p>\n<div id=\"attachment_9619\" style=\"width: 1290px\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-9619\" class=\"size-full wp-image-9619\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.pomonaswapmeet.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/02\/Hagerty-Modern-BMW-Z8-2001-1.jpg?resize=1280%2C893\" alt=\"2001 BMW Z8 (BMW)\" width=\"1280\" height=\"893\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.pomonaswapmeet.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/02\/Hagerty-Modern-BMW-Z8-2001-1.jpg?w=1280&amp;ssl=1 1280w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.pomonaswapmeet.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/02\/Hagerty-Modern-BMW-Z8-2001-1.jpg?resize=950%2C663&amp;ssl=1 950w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.pomonaswapmeet.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/02\/Hagerty-Modern-BMW-Z8-2001-1.jpg?resize=300%2C209&amp;ssl=1 300w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.pomonaswapmeet.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/02\/Hagerty-Modern-BMW-Z8-2001-1.jpg?resize=768%2C536&amp;ssl=1 768w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1000px) 100vw, 1000px\" \/><p id=\"caption-attachment-9619\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">2001 BMW Z8 (BMW)<\/p><\/div>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\"><strong>What is an example of a great \u201cmodern classic\u201d motorcycle?<\/strong><\/span><br \/>\n<span style=\"color: #000000;\"> Advertising agency partner Scott Young owns collectible bikes from a 1930 Scott Flying Squirrel to a current Jaguar F-Type R sports car. He defines post-WW II as the kickoff point for modern classics, but is careful with distinctions. \u201cThe rarer the better,\u201d he says. \u201cTherefore, my old 1948 Vincent Rapide would qualify as a modern classic, but my current 1968 Triumph TR6 would not.\u201d But ex-realtor Bryson does allow a more common \u201860s Triumph T120 Bonneville, Zundapp Super Sabre and Yamaha Big Bear Scrambler into his \u201cmodern classics\u201d definition. And both pilot Adams and fabricator Hudson particularly pegged the Suzuki GSX-R sportbikes (which began in 1985) as modern classics.<\/span><br \/>\n<span style=\"color: #000000;\"> <strong>Bottom line<\/strong>: High style and high performance help.<\/span><\/p>\n<div id=\"attachment_9626\" style=\"width: 1210px\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-9626\" class=\"size-full wp-image-9626\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.pomonaswapmeet.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/02\/Hagerty-Modern-1986-Suzuki-GSX-R750a.jpg?resize=1200%2C892\" alt=\"1986 Suzuki GSX R750 (Suzuki)\" width=\"1200\" height=\"892\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.pomonaswapmeet.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/02\/Hagerty-Modern-1986-Suzuki-GSX-R750a.jpg?w=1200&amp;ssl=1 1200w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.pomonaswapmeet.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/02\/Hagerty-Modern-1986-Suzuki-GSX-R750a.jpg?resize=950%2C706&amp;ssl=1 950w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.pomonaswapmeet.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/02\/Hagerty-Modern-1986-Suzuki-GSX-R750a.jpg?resize=300%2C223&amp;ssl=1 300w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.pomonaswapmeet.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/02\/Hagerty-Modern-1986-Suzuki-GSX-R750a.jpg?resize=768%2C571&amp;ssl=1 768w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.pomonaswapmeet.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/02\/Hagerty-Modern-1986-Suzuki-GSX-R750a.jpg?resize=942%2C700&amp;ssl=1 942w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1000px) 100vw, 1000px\" \/><p id=\"caption-attachment-9626\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">1986 Suzuki GSX R750 (Suzuki)<\/p><\/div>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\"><strong>Will \u201cmodern classics\u201d ever outpace the established classics in value?<\/strong><\/span><br \/>\n<span style=\"color: #000000;\"> Over half the respondents felt that modern classics will eventually exceed the value of traditional classics. Investor Ortiz frames it well. \u201cMost Millennials have not driven a true classic car or motorcycle and will want something easy to drive that looks cool,\u201d he says. \u201cThey don\u2019t have the passion of working on or restoring a vehicle.\u201d Dr. Scheinberg adds, \u201cWith a growing number of wealthy Gen Xers and Millennials, I believe the modern classics will continue showing increasing demand and values.\u201d But not to worry, this doesn\u2019t mean traditional classics will fall out of favor. \u201cWhen the Boomers are gone, the majority of Gen X and Millennials will ascend toward the modern classics,\u201d agrees aerospace man Dunlap. \u201cHowever, there will always be a next generation of niche buyers that will cling to the original classics.\u201d<\/span><br \/>\n<span style=\"color: #000000;\"><strong>Bottom lin<\/strong><strong>e<\/strong>: However they are defined, modern classics have a bright future.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><i><span style=\"color: #000000;\">This article has been reproduced with the permission of the copyright holder, Hagerty. 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